- Interesting to learn this wasn't really covid-related.
- Because of anti-vax bullshit. We really need a better answer for dealing with dangerous bullshit. The current one is insufficient.
- > the province’s Chief Medical Officer of Health Kieran Moore reported that cases were being disproportionately seen in Mennonite, Amish, and other Anabaptist communities.
These communities are more than "anti-vaxx." Likely the vaccination rate in most of Canada is sufficient to make R0 < 1, but in these communities that eschew modern anything and have a near-zero vaccination rate, it's now endemic.
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- No, it's native religious, conservative and/or anti-vax (or all three). While immigrants might have brought the virus, it thrives in areas where "modern medicine" is frowned upon.
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- Okay, but those communities were all fine before the immigrants came.
- No. This is not a new problem. Measles, mumps, whooping cough, etc. are all problems that were basically eradicated in the mainstream population. But the Mennonites, Hutterites, etc. are having outbreaks. If you have stacks of dry tinder, you're gonna have a fire. The only question is when.
The "immigrants" that spread this one were Ontarians visiting New Brunswick and bringing it back to Ontario. Do you want vaccine passports at provincial borders now?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/measles-outbreak-trac...
Here's a case where a Mennonite kid who brought it home after catching it from an unvaccinated 9-year-old from the UK while on a trip to Disneyland (see p 251). Are you blaming that on "immigrants"? TBH - your comment presents as nothing more than lazy racism.
https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-aspc/migration/phac-a...
The Anabaptist communities are well aware that they are at special risk when the whole community opts-out. What's changed is they are starting to travel and build a truly international community. Once you combine international travel and a vaccine-hesitant community, you're going to have trouble. Immigrants have nothing to do with this.
https://www.mennoniteusa.org/measles/
2002 - https://www.immunize.ca/sites/default/files/resources/74e.pd... 2015 - https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/immunization-rates-so... 2025 - https://www.ctvnews.ca/toronto/article/measles-outbreak-trac...
- Many people in Ontario are immigrants.
- Somebody could have visited Canada from one of the US outbreaks or vice versa. All one needs is a spark. And if you're relying on herd immunity, it's polite and safer to be part of the herd.
25 points by divbzero 18 hours ago | 8 comments