• Been amazing to see how far tech companies have fallen in public esteem (good). I remember when my friends and I would get together to watch the new MacBook announcements, eager to see what was coming. Feels as distant now as sk8erboi culture.
    • Doesn’t help that they’ve gotten so big. They’ve become “the man” the establishment that has a direct line to everyone’s brains.

      And have in so many cases abused their power.

      All that not counting the stagnation and enshittification.

      I also used to get together with friends to watch Apple Keynotes. They were so much fun.

      But now they’re just extremely sanitized pre produced videos (basically ads) that lack any sort of soul.

      Yes yes I know they were always mainly ads. But there was something to be said for people presenting on stage.

  • I think the one benefit people are overlooking is that there is an opportunity to increase power generation.

    Rather than saying "no", how about making the new datacenters fund nuclear, solar, and grid battery?

    • > how about making the new datacenters fund nuclear, solar, and grid battery?

      good luck with that

      any promises will be ignored, avoided or dumped onto regular people the very moment the approval is granted

      • What about a making it prerequisite? Demonstrate you have built the nuclear/solar/whatever capacity to cover your own energy before you're allowed to build a datacenter?
        • if it's connected to the grid and you make them buy capacity, they will write a contract to sell the same amount of capacity the moment it's approved

          and you've accomplished nothing

          and if you make them hold a certain position they'll simply sell in another subsidiary, or use derivatives

          the only way to deal with this type of parasitism is blanket refusal

        • > nuclear

          See you in 15 years I guess.

          Many site are already building their own capacity, but doing it (unfortunately) with gas turbines.

      • >any promises will be ignored, avoided or dumped onto regular people the very moment the approval is granted

        Doesn't seem too hard to force the datacenter to put up a bond for it, and then if the requirements/timelines aren't met the bond's seized.

        • it's exceptionally hard because energy is fungible

          try writing the contract, say, requiring 500MW of new gas generation to be built locally to power the DC, which is grid connected

          they'll then secretly write a contract to sell 500MW of gas generation on the open market, conditional on approval

          at some price they'll find a buyer, at which point 500MW increase in grid capacity has been cancelled out despite them actually building the plant

          and all it cost them was the difference in the contract price