- How long will the world continue to tolerate Israel's egregious war crimes?
- as long as people keep voting for politicians that are complicit with pro zionist policies
- Part of the problem is the conflation of Zionism with genocidal government. There is no room for nuiance. A Zionist can want Israelites to live in peace where they currently are and not harm others, and certainly not commit horrible atrocities against other people.
Yet, even this kind of Zionist is under their own genocidal threat, "from the river to the sea", and instead of their being a sensible perspective of "maybe let's not kill a bunch of any people's" we are left with the never ending debate or whose worse.
- From the beginning, the founders of the Zionist movement were completely on board with the ethnic cleansing of the indigenous Palestinians from their lands to establish the Israeli state.
- zionism has been genocidal from the start. the early zionists were white supremacists who wanted to colonise palestine and beyond. when the culture changed against white supremacy, they rebranded to "jews just want to be safe in their ancestral lands". unfortunately, you can't pull off something like the 1948 nakba and the 1967 land grab and continued occupation and then say that you just want to chill in peace.
- Did you know that Jews lived among Muslims for over a thousand years in peace? In fact, Muslims were the ones who took them in when the Europeans massacred, persecuted, and expelled them out during the middle ages.
The violence started happening when the Zionists wanted the land for themselves, exclusive of the indigenous population (1948 nakba).
- Revionist history at work.
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- https://theweek.com/world-news/israel-legitimisation-cell-ju...
> How Israel's 'Legitimisation Cell' is justifying journalist killings in Gaza
- "One high-profile journalist targeted in this way was Al Jazeera reporter Anas Al-Sharif, who was killed along with four colleagues in an Israeli airstrike earlier this month. After his death, the Israeli army quickly circulated documents claiming he had been a Hamas operative since 2013. "Yet even if taken at face value, the files showed his last contact with Hamas was in 2017 – years before the current war," said France 24."
You think Israel shows every bit of intel they have???? The last thing they showed being 2017 doesn't say he was only Hamas for four years.
The basic problem here is that all the terrorist groups over there call their propaganda people "reporters". In a sense they are, they are reporting on events. That does not make them not considered combatants, though. Israel has found terrorist affiliation for about half of the dead "reporters", but that doesn't make the others civilians. Hit a combatant, the person next to him is probably also a combatant.
- You're using the term "terrorist" to describe people indigenous to the land that Israel stole. If you use logic, that makes Israel that terrorist group since they used violence to kick Palestinians out of their land and homes, not the other way around.
Lookup the Jewish terrorist groups Irgu, Lehi, and Haganah. Lookup the assassination of Lord Moyne by Lehi and the 1946 Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel. The leaders of these terrorist groups eventually became Prime Ministers of Israel.
While you're at it, lookup the attack by the Israeli military on the USS Liberty that killed 34 Americans.
- Hezbollah isn't in Israel, so any argument about what happened in Israel is irrelevant. And by far the primary cause of Palestinians leaving was Arab countries telling them to get out of the way of the coming invasion. And, well, when you refuse to agree to lay down arms is it really surprising you're not allowed back in?
King David Hotel? You mean British military HQ? Who received and ignored the warning about the bomb?
USS Liberty--ever consider how hard it is to identify ships from the air in a combat situation? Israel knew the ship claimed to be American, but they thought that was a ruse.
- > Hezbollah isn't in Israel, so any argument about what happened in Israel is irrelevant
Respectfully, it is relevant, as explained. Historical context matters.
> And by far the primary cause of Palestinians leaving was Arab countries telling them to get out of the way of the coming invasion.
Excepting, as in this case, where make up a narrative with a handwave.
- I need you to know that you're defending and justifying war crimes while blindly swallowing the propaganda of a genocidal regime.
Needless to say, it's not exactly making you look too good.
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- > ... the person next to him is probably also a combatant
Absolutely, they could even be future combatants even if they are not now. That's why killing schoolgirls in Iran, reporters in Lebanon, etc. is justified, they are all potential terrorists. It definitely can not be proven otherwise that they are not. Why take a chance? /s
- More war crimes as usual
- If you are as ignorant as me:
"A double tap, or double-tap, is the practice of following a strike [...] with a deliberately timed second strike in the same place several minutes later, usually in an attempt to maximize the casualties of an attack."
"Double-tap strikes have been used by Saudi Arabia during its military intervention in Yemen, by the United States in Pakistan, Yemen, and the Gulf of Mexico, by Israel in the 2014 Gaza War, the Gaza war (2023-present), and the 2026 Lebanon war. by Russia and the Ba'athist Syria in the Syrian civil war, and by Russia in the Russo-Ukrainian War, especially since the full-scale invasion in 2022."
- The recent bombing of the bridge in Iran was apparently a double-tap strike by the US.
- I thought the US was caught doing a similar thing to those boats it was destroying because they might be carrying drugs.
- > They were shirtless, unarmed and carried no visible communications equipment. They also appeared to have no idea what had just hit them, or that the U.S. military was weighing whether to finish them off.
> "The video follows them for about an hour as they tried to flip the boat back over. They couldn't do it," one source said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-final-con...
- Yes, and the entire chain of command that did so should be prosecuted for murder.
- Truly horrific
- The importance of the “double tap” was expounded by Columbus in Zombieland as Rule #2 to survive the apocalypse.
- A double tap attack is a deliberate tactic designed to kill first responders who rush to a scene after a bombing.
Assad in Syria used this tactic to target the White Helmet rescuers who would attend the scene after air attacks.
Now Israel is using the same tactic against innocent Lebanese medics.
- Every time I post something like this I get downvoted, but I don't care: Israel is just pure evil. Shame on US politicians for giving them cover for the countless war crimes they've committed.
- not just the politicians, also the media outlets that cover for them, and the zionist political donors who fund them.
- Ever wondered why lebanon or palestine has disproportionate amounts of hospitals per capita?
- Why are you insinuating if your argument is supposedly so damning? Just state it plainly.
- They can't, else their bigotry and support for genocide would be too evident. Such pathetic cowards...
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- To clarify,
- I'm under no confusion about what they're insinuating, that's not the point (see that below)
- I'm looking for their reply specifically
It's relatively easy to accuse, and to make up some story. It's a lot harder to provide substance and formulate a compelling argument.
Is the number of medical facilities really outstanding? Why does that suggest they're combatant hideouts? Which of them are, all? Why does them hiding combatants render double, triple, quadruple tapping, or even just targeting these facilities morally justified or reasonable? What sense does it even make to double, triple, quadruple tap in this context?
All pretty important questions I'd say, none of which are addressed by cowardly insinuations, I believe by design.
Last time I checked, my internal moral compass rated actually killing healthcare workers and the sick/injured/etc a lot worse than combatants using them as potential collateral (not that that'd be the pinnacle of morality). One would assume most other people's compass does too, hence why the above is news. How the paramedics that arrive afterwards become deserving of getting shelled, further remains an unelaborated-on mystery.
- Gaza, crazy number of hospitals. Lebanon, I have no idea.
Off the top of my head:
1) Remember how Israel kept talking about Hamas HQ being in bunkers under the main hospital and Hamas kept denying their existence? Very little news coverage of when Israel said of course we know there are bunkers, we built them!
2) I recall a video of Israel hitting a hospital--that we could see people were shooting from it.
3) I recall another video, Hamas had been denying tunnels under another hospital--then we have Israel nailing a senior commander with a bomb that clearly exploded in a tunnel quite near the hospital. (A bomb that explodes underground will have a very different blast pattern--watch some, it becomes apparent.)
As for moral compass: why are you supporting the people that hide behind the sick/injured?? Geneva is clear on this--military use, valid target. Human shield deaths are on the side using the human shields.
- Oh wow! So they make dummy hospitals and put dummy meat bags of all sizes for camera time and social media post just to make Israel look bad when they hit those meat bags. That is some strategy.
- They do? Compared to who? And no, I haven't, please enlighten me.
- Maybe they have a disproportionate amount of wounded and sick to take care of? For some reason.
- Ever wondered why Israel has disproportionate amount of settlers in the West Bank, a land that doesn't belong to them? I bet that makes them a legitimate target.
- Because of the ongoing terrorism.
The settlers are their religious nuts. Israel doesn't like them, but it's not worth the political capital to do anything about it because they aren't the actual cause of the terror.
When Israel gets a better outcome from being kind rather than being harsh you will see them be kind. But every good deed gets harshly punished, don't expect good deeds until that changes.
- They are evil now and they will be nice when some goal is achieved, this does not make any sense.
- > they aren't the actual cause of the terror
Are you sure? Here are some stats of settler attacks from the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs:
Year Total Incidents Daily Average 2021 540 1 incident / day 2022 852 2 incidents / day 2023 1,189–1,291 3 incidents / day 2024 1,420–1,449 4 incidents / day 2025 1,828 5 incidents / day- And you think the UN is a credible source?
And it's amazing how many of those "settler" attacks make more sense if they are self defense.
- If the UN is not a credible source then I think establishing the state of Israel in 1948 should be thrown in the garbage.
- The UN didn't establish Israel so the two events are unconnected.
- > But every good deed gets harshly punished
Can you name some of the instances you’re thinking of?
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- Hezbollah is the main political party in Lebanon. Anything can be related to the main political party of a country. It's like saying you can legally kill Israeli medics because they are "related to Likud".
In any case, killing medics is a violation of the Hague and Geneva conventions and the internal law.
If this story is hard for you to take seriously, there's thousands more stories, videos and witnessings of war crimes by Israel in very recent history..
- Just worth clearing the point about Hezbollah in that context.
Hezbollah is not the “main” political party [1]
It is a major part of the government but not the main.
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_L...
If they were the main party then it was Lebanon who attacked Israel following the war with Iran and not Hezbollah.
Lebanon is very pragmatic already and they actually have an army which isn’t Hezbollah.
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- What does it mean for a medic to “be Hezbollah” in this context?
Are you saying they are employed medics of the organisation? Party members? Combatants?
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- In all your comments, you keep referring to the resistance groups fighting the Israeli occupation as terrorists, which I’m guessing makes you either an Israeli or pro-Israel.
The IOF has been notoriously lying about killing and torturing civilians. Not only that, but even soldiers caught red-handed on video raping prisoners have not only gotten away scot-free but also been allowed to rejoin the army. Is there a reason why we should trust anything such a genocidal, morally corrupt organization has to say?
- Just a few months the OP was defending the IDF destroying hospitals and killing aid workers [1], making up stories [2] and basically saying Israel can do no wrong [3]. It's more than abundantly clear that no amount of evidence is enough, nor is any war crime far enough for them to admit when Israel is going too far.
[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47144548
- How about actually rebutting things rather than attacking me?
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- I’m not sure if linking the video would violate HN rules, and I find it hard to believe that you haven’t at least heard about it. There is currently global outrage because the soldier in this video was acquitted and allowed to rejoin the army. The video was aired on Israeli TV and the IOF arrested the military official who authorized the leak.
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/statement-ohchr-08aug24/
https://mondoweiss.net/2025/11/outrage-over-video-leak-of-is...
I belive if you search for ‘Israeli soldiers gang rape prison’ you’ll find multiple links to it.
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